Ladybug of Digable Planets.

Shes cool like that. If you like jazzy hip hop, you need to pick up that first Digable Planets. Ladybug is kind of dope for the time period. She receives an honorable mention for a dope femcee.

I agree...

I dont agree with this one. Ladybug damn near ruined one of my favorite tracks by them [ "Dog it" ] . And when i look back at most of there stand out tracks , she never stood out in any of them . Yea she had a jazzy voice and attitude and definitely fuckable but as far as actual lyrical skill and delivery , in my opinion she sucked. like i said "Dog It " had a banging beat and her verse was f#ckin horrible and I dont know if it was just a lack of talent lyrically or just a flat out lack of effort. And i'm not trying to make an opinion on her entire career based off one song , its just TO ME , this one song is an example of how she flowed on most of their banging tracks.

here is her verse from that song. And if you hear the audio you will find it hard to detect where she is actually RHYMING. Its like the bitch was just talking on the beat.

[disregard the "funk da funk" lines] <--Just a semi/hook Butterfly also spit in his verse.

Eric ???? always hits me with the live stuff
Bahamadia back the sounds with the love love
T.J. and Lisa real peoples 89 and still
In Fort Green on diamond back is where I'm at
Feelin' da funk da funk that's
in the trunk the trunk
I feel the funk da funk,
feelin' the funk da funk
I'm feelin' funk da funk I'm
in the trunk da trunk
Feelin' da funk da funk, I am the funk
I raise everyday for the mass
Tote my fist right up right against the fascist
Descend to my borough digs my diction
It's way on time
So watch fifth line still shining
I'm left this year a player
In my vein lives bell hooks
Derrick Bell, Reggie Butler
See Marvin knew it, and Sly knew it
Cube know it and now we do it outta Brooklyn
Outta sight brown sandals
in M.C.s with angles
Commit to street corners where players be jayin
I'm saying a Digable swinger
Word to mouth brought the clout
'specially in the summer
We vanish like vapor
Burn paper
We deal real-real so chill
We linger in the funk

^^ WTF was that!!

but you also think Ice-T is a dope lyricist.....................

^^ michaelgraham tellin lies again.

ZenMarco not surprised.

zen denying his exploits like big bill clinton........here is his direct qoute from the his forum thread entitled Ice T / Lil Wayne in the podcast afterparty section of the forum

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I remember listening to either the last ep or the one before , and the topic of Ice T's career came up and i felt like you guys were giving him some unfair criticism . In suggesting that lyrically he was wack , make sure you are not comparing him to todays lyricists and the greatest of all time. But he was dope back in the day no question "back in that era". Lets be fror real , who were YOU listening to back in 86' 87'? .... i thought so. Dont get me wrong my opinion is not biased, i live in the south and ive only owned only 2 Ice T albums
and of course the New Jack City soundtrack. but the dude definitely is a first ballot hip hop hall of famer.

wow! you be all over my threads huh?

okay so where in that post do i say Ice T IS a dope lyricist.

did i say he was dope BACK IN THE DAY?...yea.

IS he a hip hop hall of famer?...NO DOUBT!



...and BTW mr. ooo look at ZenMarco's old posts,

what the f#ck does this hav to do with Ladybug?

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okay so where in that post do i say Ice T IS a dope lyricist.

here it is again for your alzhiemers having ass....

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I remember listening to either the last ep or the one before , and the topic of Ice T's career came up and i felt like you guys were giving him some unfair criticism . In suggesting that lyrically he was wack , make sure you are not comparing him to todays lyricists and the greatest of all time. But he was dope back in the day no question "back in that era". Lets be fror real , who were YOU listening to back in 86' 87'? .... i thought so. Dont get me wrong my opinion is not biased, i live in the south and ive only owned only 2 Ice T albums
and of course the New Jack City soundtrack. but the dude definitely is a first ballot hip hop hall of famer.

your words are in bold dumbass......you said they were calling him lyically wack and you felt the need to reply and stand up for him calling him dope back in the day....you don't remember?????


This has everything to do with your argument that ladybug is wack because of her lyrics and how she ruined songs for you....was Ice T not wack lyrically? Was his fame and respect mainly based on his gangsta persona....if so....it is unfair for you to say that ladybug is wack....although her lyrics are not the best.....she had a persona too that fit well on wax and made digable's music better with her.......so as you posted her lyrics as an example and I must admit they are not great...here are your boy's ....

G Style off Home Invasion

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Intro:

Yeah! Right about now motherfuckers is layin for a nigga like me Ice T
to bust some freestyle shit... but I don't do that
I just cold lounge up here at the Ammo Dump
with my nigga Alladdin SLJ LP and my nigga Henry G
Yeah we do the shit like this

Verse One:

The card after the ace is deuce
So cut the nigga loose on the 3
That's me
The motherfuckin T
I got ride on my surfboard
Rhyme hard
But only buy the shit that I can't afford
That's everything
That's why I truck big fat rings
Cause in the motherland gold is for kings
I got backup
To jack up
Punks who try to act up
Do a world tour
Watch the big bank stack up
Motherfuckers get dropped with the quickness
I got an ill left and a right fist
Make mistakes and you'll lose
Or you might die
Cause I'm the wrong Ice for your bruise
And that's no lie
Meanwhile the penile is stacked to the top with my niggaz
Mostly for squeezin triggas
I call em homies
Pigs call em crooks
So I write and put bucks on they books
I give a fuck about a cop or a G-man
They all talk shit
Their breath smellin like semen
I catch em in the alley all alone
Put em in the prone
Pop! Pop! Pop! To the dome

Chorus:

It's the G-style
Gangsta style

Verse 2:

G Style, The gangsta talk
I got a teflon .9
And it eats vest
I take a motherfucker out quick
Just for talkin shit
Ride Rolls
Catch hoes like a mitt
LA, Atlanta, New York
Yo, my shit rocks
Chi-town, Miami, Detroit
I get much props
Because I roll with the hardcore G
Every street's the same street to me
I don't bullshit
I don't quit
Writin a rhyme fit
KKK pray each day
That I get hit
Motherfuckers try to flip on the Icepick
Move and slip
Close the eyes and catch a fuckin clip
Not in the ghetto no more
But I do hang
Got a black game
And it's sittin on them thangs
I kick the game from the street
Not the slamma
Tighten up my knockas with a big lead hammer

Chorus

Verse Three:

Some of the times
I write my raps with extreme speed
Some of the times
I take the pen and make pads bleed
My mind clicks to Homocide
Bullets fly
Ladies cry
A lot of people die
Some nights I can't right
Stare at the blue lines
I think I'm a go blind
Then the beat becomes me
Sit in the dark
And write a whole fuckin LP
G Style, the gangsta talk
Never near soft
Hard as a knockout bout
It's no sellout
I keep crime in my rhyme
Cause it's my thing
Packed with guns
And drugs
And lots of street slang
A-B-C-D-E-F, and LAPD
Words from a motherfuckin OG
Ammo Dump pumps the sounds that you bump in your trunk
So turn it up punk
What'cha fraid of?
What'cha made of?
Pull the pin
Set the grenade off
Blastin sounds out ya jeep
On every city street, nigga
Straight gangsta beat

Chorus

Verse Four:

Many like to dress the style, and act hardcore
Many motherfuckers are and they crack jaws
I like to lay in the cut
In a nightclub
Don't smoke bud
Drink suds
But I gets loved, mack, cool
I scope the freak with the mad backs
Hit her with the gangsta style
Cool, relaxed, bam
Put her in the Benz
Bump Too $hort, let her know
Right off the top, what's my sport
You think long
You think wrong
You got it goin on, baby doll?
But I won't sing you no love song
You either love me
Or you don't
You're either rollin tonight
Or you won't
She likes the style
Cause it don't bullshit around
Tounge in my ear, real slow
And then it went down
I gotta flip into a ill mode
Pack a clip full of hype tracks
And then unload
Music for the hardcore beatdown
No weak pop shit
Strictly underground
And if you don't like the style, as I get wreck
Ease back nigga, catch a knife through the neck

dude wtf iz your problem.

f#ckin grow up man...."michaelgraham wins another argument by proving that other people's opinions are dumb to him and his alternate lifestyle having peers!" "Yay!"

...the F#CK outta here!

again... for those who can read , yes , in my opinion Ice T was "dope" BACK IN THE DAY. I didnt say his entire f#cking music career, i didnt say every track he ever spit onand His "gangster persona" didnt have a damn thing to do with why I liked him. He WAAAAS a dope rapper TO MEEEEE!!!!

Now if me feeling like Ice T WAAAS dope back in 87 - 91 makes all my opinions on hip hop invalid to you , then go ahaed and consider yourself the winner of this argument , and every other argument we have from now on dealing with hip hop ok. Az a matter of fact this means theres really no need for us to argue about ANYTHING anymore. To you , all my opinions are invalid and dumb because i thought Ice T was dope back in the day. lol

Nice huge pat on the back for michaelgraham.

And a HUGE thanx to Ice T.

take deep breath zen...it is OK

now like i was saying before i was side-tracked by the bitch boy...

i dont wanna base my opinion on the babe because of a few tracks i've heard her spit on , she may have some fire shit on some lost underground albums deep in some DJ's crates for all i know. And im not hatin on her either i really wanted her to be dope its just she never really wound up being that to me. She spit alot of deep shit and metaphors but the delivery was poor. Maybe she would have been better served as a spoken word poet or something rather than rhyming to beats.

Now this chick right here was a spitter. Formerly known as Isis , Lin Que was a dope female lyricist to me who was out around the same time as ladybug. And yes ...she crushes ladybug lyrically. I just hate that nothing much came from her after this. At least on this scale.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_JRz6XuhfPM

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now like i was saying before i was side-tracked by the bitch boy...

you sound like the one bitching because someone calls your bitch ass out...and additionally makes you accountable for your bitch ass previous statements........


You sound like the bitch yelping for help!!!!


ICE-T was as dope as catnip.....maybe a couple decent songs his whole career

you said you like his realness which I interpert as gangsta-ness= his gangsta persona, without that he had little influential impact musically on hip-hop

so go write me another bitch made poem.......and keep bumping that ICE-T

What about Lauryn Hill-

[LAURYN:]
I play my enemies like a game of chess, where I rest,
No stress
If you don't smoke sess, lest.
I must confess, my destiny's manifest
In some Goretex and sweats I make treks like I'm homeless
Rap orgies with Porgy and Bess,
Capture your bounty like Elliot Ness, YES
Bless you if you represent the Fu
But I'll hex you with some witch's brew if you're Doo Doo
Voo Doo,
I can do what you do, easy, BELIEVE ME
Frontin' niggas give me hee-bee-gee-bees
So while you're imitating Al Capone
I'll be Nina Simone
And defacating on your microphone.


[LAURYN:]
Behold, as my odes, manifold on your rhymes
Two MC's can't occupy the same space at the same time.
It's against the laws of Physics.
So weep as your sweet dreams break up like Eurythmics
Rap rejects my tape deck, ejects projectile
Whether jew or gentile
I rank top percentile,
Many styles,
More powerful than gamma rays
My grammar pays,
Like Carlos Sanatana plays
Black Magic Woman
So while you fuming, I'm consuming
Mango juice under Polaris,
You're just embarrassed
Cause it's your "Last Tango in Paris"
And even after all my logic and my theory,
I add a muthaf**ker so you ignint niggas hear me.
And you remember take notes,
As I sow my rap otas
And for you biting zealots, here's a quote.


[LAURYN:]
I get mad frustrated when I rhyme
Thinking of all the kids who try to do this
For all the wrong reasons
Seasons change, mad things rearrange
But it all stays the same like the love Doctor Strange
I'm tame like the rapper,
Get red like a snapper when they do that
Got your whole block saying"TRUE DAT"
If only they knew that,
It was you who was irregular,
Sold your soul for some secular
Muzak that's wack,
Plus you use that loop over and over
Claiming that you got a new style
Your attempts are futile, Ooo chile
Your puerile,
Brain waves are sterile
You can't create, you just wait to take, my tape's
Laced with malice
Hands get calloused
From grippin' microphones from here to Dallas
Go ask Alice if you don't believe me,
I get Inner Visions like Stevie
See me, ascend from the chalice like the weed be
Indeed be like Khalil Muhammad
MC's make me vomit
I get controversial
Freak your style with no rehearsal
Ooo, contraire mon frere
Don't you even go there
Me without a mic is like a beat without a snare
I dare to tear into your ego,
We go, way back like some ganja and pelequo
Or Coleco-Vision
My mind makes incisions in your anatomy
And I'll back this with Deuteronomy
Or Leviticus, God made this word
You can't get with this
Sweet like licorice,
Dangerous like syphillis, yeah.

Yo! mic-g ..seriously , lets try to cut back on the insults and have a grown up discussion or debate for a change huh...Our statements would make much better reading without "you bitch!" , "you dumbass" in every other sentence. .

Us having our first black president has lately made me wanna stop easily trashing my fellow brothaz and sistaz [white or black] and makes me wanna be a better citizen and a more positive contributor to society.

Consider all things squashed from my end...ah ite.

And az much as i hate to agree wit ya ass...yea Lauryn Hill was the shit lyrically and in all other phazes az well. I know that first verse , that was from "ready or not" ....yea!!!!

and it waznt just Ice T's realness that made him dope to me, it was how he rhymed , what he rhymed about ,animated story-tellin skills , beat selection , him dissin LL , alot of shit. The dude was dope to me [period]

ha ha you like how Zen was the 1st to be the bigger man in the situation!!!

lol

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Consider all things squashed from my end...ah ite.

The natural asshole in me would say this is a bitch made statement......but the nicer side says I agree to squash it too.

I am happy we both can finally agree on one thing......the miseducation album was good....too bad she fell in love and fell the fuck off.....................

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The natural asshole in me would say this is a bitch made statement......

trust me dude , it took alot of effort for me to restrain the "inner shit-talker" in me to come back at you from that ...lol...but i feel ya.

It could have been fallin in love or gettin sprung that f#cked up her career or maybe some artists / entertainers cant handle it once they reach a certain amount of success.

look at dave chapelle , at one time he was the most sought after comedian on the planet , on the rise , 50 million dollar deal on the table then he dissappeared and and hasnt really been seen anywhere.[ have my own opinion of why he turned down that deal too but thats another issue]

look at Katt williams , he was on the rise recently , new dvd ads everywhere , potential tour with steve harvey , now i hear he was booted from hosting the BET hiphop awards for actin crazy , and he was recently caught up in ANOTHER stange behavior incident that has lead his family to try to have him committed for psycological issues.

Some folks cant handle a high level of success in the public eye.

pressure is a muthafucker....maybe the reason RAKIM hasn't dropped since 98'

ZEN who do you listen to...who are you feeling at this moment..what's in the deck?

like i tell people i have 2 decks.

Deck 1 [music i ride / vibe to ]

Deck 2 [music i work out to]


At this present time - Deck 1 includes :

- BDP - My Phylosophy

- Gangstarr - Check The Technique

- Nas Ft. AZ - Life's a Bitch

- MIA - Paper Planes

- Bone Thugs N Harmony - Everyday Thang

- 8ball & MJG - What would you Do

- Consequence - Disperse

- EPMD - Rampage [Pete Rock Remix]

-Young Jeezy - Vacation

-Beatnuts - No escapin This

- Camron - Curtis

- Jay Z Ft. Eminem - Renegade

- Royce Da 5'9 - We Live


At this time Deck 2 includes :

- Curve - Hell Above water

- Nirvana - Breed

- Justin Timberlake - Cry me a river [ dont laugh!! lol .. good track to run in cadence with the beat when running a 7 and 1/2 minute mile.]

- Justin Timberlake - What goes around comes around [same az above]

- L.L. Cool J Ft. R Kelly - About to get her

- Nas - Ether

- Nirvana - Heart Shaped Box

- Issac Hayes - Shaft Theme

- A-ha - The Living Daylights [1987 James Bond Theme Song / Good shit to Flex in the mirror between reps while lifting lol]

- Gladys Knight - License to Kill [ 1989 James Bond Theme Song .Dont laugh!! Same az above ]

- Young Jeezy - J.E.E.Z.Y. <---[ Excellent joint to run to , coming into the home stretch]

Zen Marco wrote:

like i tell people i have 2 decks.

Deck 1 [music i ride / vibe to ]

Deck 2 [music i work out to]


At this present time - Deck 1 includes :

blah blah blah

At this time Deck 2 includes :

blah blah blah

I see, you are another one of those shuffle dudes!!! I don't see how you guys do it...

lol @ "blah blah blah"

chill out man the dude asked me what im currently listenin to .

tried to be az honest az possible

i prefer customized playlists over entire albums , dont wanna break the vibe to skip to what i wanna hear.

thats like tryin to f#ck to a R&B cd and having to stop mid-f#ck because a corny ass fast tempo joint came on...

..."hol up baby dont move, let me skip this song real quick" ...lol

Zen Marco wrote:

lol @ "blah blah blah"

chill out man the dude asked me what im currently listenin to .

tried to be az honest az possible

i prefer customized playlists over entire albums , dont wanna break the vibe to skip to what i wanna hear.

thats like tryin to f#ck to a R&B cd and having to stop mid-f#ck because a corny ass fast tempo joint came on...

..."hol up baby dont move, let me skip this song real quick" ...lol

Whoa... I know you just wrapped up an ahhr forum battle of epic proportions but that wasn't an attack Zen, just making the qoute short!

It is always interesting how people listen to their music. I usually have to listen to albums in their entirety unless I'm in the gym and unless the album just has no cohesiveness whatsoever. When I am in the gym I do try to keep the same tempo and I will actually listen to singles. As far as genres go, I haven't, as of yet, been able to actually mix them. If I'm in a Rap mood, I have to listen to all rap, Soul mood all Soul music, Rock mood all Rock music, etc... I eat tend to eat the same way. Veggies, then rice and gravy, then the meat... never mixing them...

^^ Yo , I'm kinda the same way.

I dont listen to those playlists in that consecutive order , thats just in general what i'm listenin to. Many of which i just forgot and left out.

But When I make cds to listen to in my ride i cant make a cd with a few rap songs here some R&B there and a few rock tracks, that I CANT DO!!! ...It has to strictly be ONE genre on ONE cd , If its some new hip hop then the whole 15 track cd iz NEW HIP HOP , and no ol' skool joints thrown in . If its ol' skool , then its all gotta be ol skool , rock , all rock etc. The only exception is when I'm in a rush and Im throwin some quick shit together and i got a blank cd to waste.

But the playlists i use on my zune/mp3 workin out are diffrent. I might be in a L.L. cool J mode when I'm doin Arm curls .. a James Bond theme mode when I'm doin shoulder lifts... a nirvana mode when Im bench-pressin ... a black super hero mode when im cranking that Shaft theme song while running up a hill or incline .. or all vice versa you feel me.